here is the second Jim Driver interview. this one is about 3.5 minutes. he speaks about steve pezman and pre vs post gidget surfing and what that meant for people that were concerned with surf media... also he talks about some other stuff. Jim's picture below can be found on surfers rule (how is that stall out the back!)
this picture below was not taken by Jim Driver. I found it HERE i thought it was appropriate given the topic of this interview.